{"id":3903,"date":"2014-04-13T12:01:27","date_gmt":"2014-04-13T12:01:27","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/skepticink.com\/tippling\/?p=3903"},"modified":"2014-04-13T12:02:29","modified_gmt":"2014-04-13T12:02:29","slug":"christianity-is-not-responsible-for-science","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/skepticink.com\/tippling\/2014\/04\/13\/christianity-is-not-responsible-for-science\/","title":{"rendered":"Christianity is not responsible for science"},"content":{"rendered":"<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Tihs has come up in conversation elsewhere, so I thought I would resurrect this old post from my old, old blog.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">I have recently been involved in an argument online which is a very common argument and one which annoys me just a little. It is also an argument which I have had many times before with Christians. The claim goes something like this:<img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignright\" alt=\"\" src=\"http:\/\/www.visioninconsciousness.org\/Objects\/Science_02.jpg\" width=\"300\" height=\"301\" \/><\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">\u201cChristianity is responsible for the development of science.\u201d<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">The word science can be swapped with hospital, charity, education and so on. In the case in hand, there were statements such as:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">\u201cthe essential neccessity of Christianity to the origin of science.\u201d<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">So on and so forth.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">I would like to take umbrage to this point and attempt to properly refute it. Firstly, let us look at a comment such as this:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">&#8220;I think the problem with the idea that Christian\u2019s emotions overwhelm their intellect is that some of the greatest intellectuals of all time were very religious people. Aquinas, Augustine, Ockham, Copernicus, Bacon, Pascal,\u00a0Newton, Fermat, Mendel, Lema\u00eetre and of course Francis Collins who has already been mentioned. There are thousands more that could be mentioned. &#8220;<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"line-height: 1.5em;\">The commenter has listed a bunch of people who were intelligent and Christian. The modern world at those periods in time, the world which was most advanced for a number of reasons, was Christian. That means that any intellect who came out of those societies was BY DEFAULT Christian. This is an almighty fallacy. The most populous and advanced society was Christian and thus its great people were Christian. They were NOT great and intelligent BECAUSE they were Christian!<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"line-height: 1.5em;\">This is such a common mistake.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"line-height: 1.5em;\">It is also notable that the poster forgot to mention the great thinkers from Islamic (Al-Farabi, Ibn Sina (Avicenna), Ghazali etc) and great Chinese thinkers (Confucius, Mencius, Xun Zi, Zhu Xi, Wang Yangming, Lao Zi,\u00a0 Zhuangzi,. Liezi,, Mozi, Shang Yang, Han Fei, Li, Si, Huineng) probably because of his European-centric \/ Christian bias. This is simply cherry-picking the successes that took place under Christianity whilst \u2018forgetting\u2019 others under different religions.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"line-height: 1.5em;\">A classic example of the confusion of correlation with causation.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"line-height: 1.5em;\">Secondly, even under Christianity, science did not flourish for 1500 years. This is a refutation of the claim, surely, and stands on its own merit!<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"line-height: 1.5em;\">Thirdly, discoveries such as formal geometry developed under polytheism. This does not mean that polytheism was responsible for formal geometry. The earliest mathematical principles were discovered by the Greeks, and not the Christians. This is a correlation fallacy. Here is a quote from <a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Timeline_of_the_history_of_scientific_method\">wiki on the entry for the history of the scientific method<\/a>:<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"line-height: 1.5em;\">BC<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"line-height: 1.5em;\">c. 2000 BC \u2014 First text indexes (various cultures).[citation needed]<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"line-height: 1.5em;\">c. 1600 BC \u2014 An Egyptian medical textbook, the Edwin Smith papyrus, (circa 1600 BC), applies the following components: examination, diagnosis, treatment and prognosis, to the treatment of disease,[1] which display parallels to basic empirical methodology.[2]<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"line-height: 1.5em;\">c. 400 BC \u2014 In China, Mozi and the School of Names advocate using one&#8217;s senses to observe the world, and develop the &#8220;three-prong method&#8221; for testing the truth or falsehood of statements.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"line-height: 1.5em;\">c. 400 BC \u2014 Democritus advocates inductive reasoning through a process of examining the causes of sensory perceptions and drawing conclusions about the outside world.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"line-height: 1.5em;\">c. 320 BC \u2014 First comprehensive documents categorising and subdividing knowledge, dividing knowledge into different areas by Aristotle,(physics, poetry, zoology, logic, rhetoric, politics, and biology). Aristotle&#8217;s Posterior Analytics defends the ideal of science as necessary demonstration from axioms known with certainty.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"line-height: 1.5em;\">c. 300 BC \u2014\u00a0Euclid&#8217;s Elements expound geometry as a system of theorems following logically from axioms known with certainty.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"line-height: 1.5em;\">c. 200 BC \u2014 First Cataloged library (at\u00a0Alexandria)[edit]1st through 12th centuriesc. 800 AD \u2014 J\u0101bir ibn Hayy\u0101n designs controlled experiments.1021 \u2014 Alhazen introduces the experimental method and combines observations, experiments and rational arguments in his Book of Optics.c. 1025 \u2014 Ab\u016b Rayh\u0101n al-B\u012br\u016bn\u012b, develops experimental methods for mineralogy and mechanics, and conducts elaborate experiments related to astronomical phenomena.1027 \u2014 In The Book of Healing, Avicenna criticizes the Aristotelian method of induction, arguing that &#8220;it does not lead to the absolute, universal, and certain premises that it purports to provide&#8221;, and in its place, develops examination and experimentation as a means for scientific inquiry.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"line-height: 1.5em;\">This clearly illustrates that the scientific method was developing outside of Christianity. Christianity (well, scientists who may well have been Christian) may well have continued to refine these ideas, but it was not responsible for the scientific method. Indeed, without this foundation, that further knowledge would not have been discoverable.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"line-height: 1.5em;\">You need to properly understand causality to understand why things happen. Causal lines are much longer. There is also the difference between necessary causation\u00a0 and sufficient causation. <a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Causality\">Wiki<\/a>:<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"line-height: 1.5em;\">Causes are often distinguished into two types: Necessary and sufficient.<\/span><sup style=\"line-height: 1.5em;\"><a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Cause#cite_note-7\">[8]<\/a><\/sup><span style=\"line-height: 1.5em;\">\u00a0A third type of causation, which requires neither necessity nor sufficiency in and of itself, but which contributes to the effect, is called a &#8220;contributory cause.&#8221;<\/span><sup style=\"line-height: 1.5em;\"><a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Cause#cite_note-Contributory-8\">[9]<\/a><\/sup><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><b style=\"line-height: 1.5em;\">Necessary causes:<\/b><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"line-height: 1.5em;\">If\u00a0<\/span><i style=\"line-height: 1.5em;\">x<\/i><span style=\"line-height: 1.5em;\">\u00a0is a necessary cause of\u00a0<\/span><i style=\"line-height: 1.5em;\">y<\/i><span style=\"line-height: 1.5em;\">, then the presence of\u00a0<\/span><i style=\"line-height: 1.5em;\">y<\/i><span style=\"line-height: 1.5em;\">\u00a0necessarily implies the presence of\u00a0<\/span><i style=\"line-height: 1.5em;\">x<\/i><span style=\"line-height: 1.5em;\">. The presence of\u00a0<\/span><i style=\"line-height: 1.5em;\">x<\/i><span style=\"line-height: 1.5em;\">, however, does not imply that\u00a0<\/span><i style=\"line-height: 1.5em;\">y<\/i><span style=\"line-height: 1.5em;\">\u00a0will occur.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><b style=\"line-height: 1.5em;\">Sufficient causes:<\/b><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"line-height: 1.5em;\">If\u00a0<\/span><i style=\"line-height: 1.5em;\">x<\/i><span style=\"line-height: 1.5em;\">\u00a0is a sufficient cause of\u00a0<\/span><i style=\"line-height: 1.5em;\">y<\/i><span style=\"line-height: 1.5em;\">, then the presence of\u00a0<\/span><i style=\"line-height: 1.5em;\">x<\/i><span style=\"line-height: 1.5em;\">\u00a0necessarily implies the presence of\u00a0<\/span><i style=\"line-height: 1.5em;\">y<\/i><span style=\"line-height: 1.5em;\">. However, another cause\u00a0<\/span><i style=\"line-height: 1.5em;\">z<\/i><span style=\"line-height: 1.5em;\">\u00a0may alternatively cause\u00a0<\/span><i style=\"line-height: 1.5em;\">y<\/i><span style=\"line-height: 1.5em;\">. Thus the presence of\u00a0<\/span><i style=\"line-height: 1.5em;\">y<\/i><span style=\"line-height: 1.5em;\">\u00a0does not imply the presence of\u00a0<\/span><i style=\"line-height: 1.5em;\">x<\/i><span style=\"line-height: 1.5em;\">.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><b style=\"line-height: 1.5em;\">Contributory causes:<\/b><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"line-height: 1.5em;\">A cause may be classified as a &#8220;contributory cause,&#8221; if the presumed cause precedes the effect, and altering the cause alters the effect. It does not require that all those subjects which possess the contributory cause experience the effect. It does not require that all those subjects which are free of the contributory cause be free of the effect. In other words, a contributory cause may be neither necessary nor sufficient but it must be contributory.<\/span><sup style=\"line-height: 1.5em;\"><a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Cause#cite_note-Riegelman-9\">[10]<\/a><a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Cause#cite_note-carolynk-10\">[11]<\/a><\/sup><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"line-height: 1.5em;\">To establish that Christianity is responsible for science, one must prove it is the necessary cause, a task which is not only virtually impossible even if it was, but is demonstrably incorrect given what we do know about how science and the scientific method came about.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"line-height: 1.5em;\">Furthermore, the dark ages DID actually happen. 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