{"id":1276,"date":"2013-08-05T11:47:17","date_gmt":"2013-08-05T16:47:17","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/skepticink.com\/smilodonsretreat\/?p=1276"},"modified":"2013-08-05T11:47:17","modified_gmt":"2013-08-05T16:47:17","slug":"complexity-and-evolution-recent-research","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/skepticink.com\/smilodonsretreat\/2013\/08\/05\/complexity-and-evolution-recent-research\/","title":{"rendered":"Complexity and Evolution &#8211; Recent Research"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>I have been saying for years that Intelligent Design proponents need to get serious about doing some research.\u00a0 The talk about information and complexity and make claims, but they can\u2019t do it.\u00a0 They can\u2019t do the work.\u00a0 They can\u2019t do the calculations.\u00a0 They can\u2019t even define what they need to measure, sometimes including \u201cfunction\u201d, sometimes talking about \u201cspecified\u201d.<\/p>\n<p>I wrote about this a few posts ago in regards to Meyer and <i>Darwin\u2019s Doubt<\/i>.\u00a0 Meyer almost came up with an actual testable hypothesis, but still lacked a lot of the fundamental definitions and skills to make it work.<\/p>\n<p>Well, Meyer and the rest, I\u2019m sorry to say, you\u2019ve been scooped.\u00a0 Some actual scientists, doing actual science, have actually defined complexity (in several ways), determined how to measure it (in terms of information content), then examined how it changes with evolution.\u00a0 Sorry guys, but you aren\u2019t going to like this.<\/p>\n<p>There\u2019s no easy, gentle way to say this.\u00a0 You are simply wrong.<\/p>\n<p>There are two papers to talk about.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.ploscompbiol.org\/article\/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pcbi.1002236#close\">http:\/\/www.ploscompbiol.org\/article\/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pcbi.1002236#close<\/a><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.ploscompbiol.org\/article\/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pcbi.1003111#close\">http:\/\/www.ploscompbiol.org\/article\/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pcbi.1003111#close<\/a><\/p>\n<p>These two papers describe a rather complex experiment and provide a lot of detail about how complexity is computed.\u00a0 I\u2019ll try to be brief. If you want the math, then go to the papers&#8230; I&#8217;m not going to try to recreate it here.<\/p>\n<p>The problem with determining complexity is we have to figure out how to measure whatever it is we\u2019re including in our complexity measure.\u00a0 We also have to justify what is included in a complexity measure and what isn\u2019t included.\u00a0 In terms of ID, this appears in two places.\u00a0 What do we measure (DNA, proteins, parts, pieces, the whole) and this has never been answered by any ID proponent.\u00a0 The second is how we measure it. There\u2019s a relatively new trend in pro-ID circles to talk about \u201cfunction\u201d.\u00a0 The problem is that no one can measure function.<\/p>\n<p>In terms of just DNA sequences, the DNA for normal hemoglobin and sickle-cell hemoglobin are exactly the same length and with only one nucleotide difference.\u00a0 There function is even the same.\u00a0 Except that the sickle-cell allele is less effective at carrying oxygen, but it\u2019s more effective at resisting malaria.\u00a0 How do we incorporate that into our complexity computation?\u00a0 Until ID proponents can do that, then all they are doing is talking and that\u2019s not science.<\/p>\n<p>Once again, scientists have done what ID \u201cscientists\u201d won\u2019t do. In this case, seriously examine a method for computing complexity and then examining that complexity in an evolving system.<\/p>\n<p>The result is very simple.\u00a0 Complexity increases.<\/p>\n<p>This first diagram shows the maze (A) and the &#8216;bugs&#8217; that were tested (B).<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/skepticink.com\/smilodonsretreat\/files\/2013\/08\/journal.pcbi_.1003111.g002.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-1280\" alt=\"journal.pcbi.1003111.g002\" src=\"https:\/\/skepticink.com\/smilodonsretreat\/files\/2013\/08\/journal.pcbi_.1003111.g002.png\" width=\"600\" height=\"240\" srcset=\"https:\/\/skepticink.com\/smilodonsretreat\/files\/2013\/08\/journal.pcbi_.1003111.g002.png 600w, https:\/\/skepticink.com\/smilodonsretreat\/files\/2013\/08\/journal.pcbi_.1003111.g002-300x120.png 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 600px) 100vw, 600px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>The maze is actually much longer and repeats, but this just gives you an idea about it.\u00a0 The bug has six sensors (0-5).\u00a0 Sensor 3 only looks at the symbol in the door way (shown as the red arrows in the maze).\u00a0 When in a doorway (and only in a doorway), sensor 3 can tell if the next door is forward or up or downward.\u00a0 Once the bug leaves the door, that sensor doesn&#8217;t remember where the door is.\u00a0 The bugs have to evolve memory.<\/p>\n<p>Circles 6-9 are logic units and can potentially act as memory.\u00a0 The legs are 10-11 and can move the bug forward, up, down, or not move the bug.<\/p>\n<p>The authors used a &#8216;genome&#8217; that told the bugs what things were connected in what way.\u00a0 Then the program was run with 300 bugs.\u00a0 The 10 bugs that went the farthest in the maze each got to have 30 offspring some of which had mutations.\u00a0 Due to a desire to track the history of the organisms and the internal changes, crossing over and sexual selection were not allowed (poor bugs).<\/p>\n<p>What were the results?\u00a0 Well, a few of the first bugs actually made it to the first door.\u00a0 Forty nine thousand generations later, the bugs were reliable charging through the maze with ease.\u00a0 They had evolved a memory, so the bugs could remember which direction the next gate was (by the clue in the door way) and they didn&#8217;t randomly root around for a door way.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/skepticink.com\/smilodonsretreat\/files\/2013\/08\/journal.pcbi_.1003111.g003.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-1281\" alt=\"journal.pcbi.1003111.g003\" src=\"https:\/\/skepticink.com\/smilodonsretreat\/files\/2013\/08\/journal.pcbi_.1003111.g003.png\" width=\"600\" height=\"396\" srcset=\"https:\/\/skepticink.com\/smilodonsretreat\/files\/2013\/08\/journal.pcbi_.1003111.g003.png 600w, https:\/\/skepticink.com\/smilodonsretreat\/files\/2013\/08\/journal.pcbi_.1003111.g003-300x198.png 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 600px) 100vw, 600px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>This diagram tracks the Sensory-Motor Mutual Information (SMMI) versus fitness.\u00a0 The SMMI tracks the average information transmitted from the sensors to the motors between time stamp <em>t<\/em> (when the sensor registers the input) and the activity of the motors at <em>t<\/em>+1.\u00a0 The color diagram on the right shows the generations of the bugs.\u00a0 The magenta star in the upper right is the score of a human designed bug that was tested in the mazes.*<\/p>\n<p>Note how the complexity increases as fitness increases.<\/p>\n<p>Indeed, in any of the several varieties of complexity measure, the complexity increases as fitness increases.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/skepticink.com\/smilodonsretreat\/files\/2013\/08\/journal.pcbi_.1002236.g005.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-1279\" alt=\"journal.pcbi.1002236.g005\" src=\"https:\/\/skepticink.com\/smilodonsretreat\/files\/2013\/08\/journal.pcbi_.1002236.g005.png\" width=\"600\" height=\"184\" srcset=\"https:\/\/skepticink.com\/smilodonsretreat\/files\/2013\/08\/journal.pcbi_.1002236.g005.png 600w, https:\/\/skepticink.com\/smilodonsretreat\/files\/2013\/08\/journal.pcbi_.1002236.g005-300x92.png 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 600px) 100vw, 600px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>These two diagrams show something very interesting as well.\u00a0 As the fitness increases over time, it&#8217;s not a constant rate.\u00a0 In fact, these two diagrams show an almost perfect example of punctuated equilibria.<\/p>\n<p>Just one more graph here.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/skepticink.com\/smilodonsretreat\/files\/2013\/08\/journal.pcbi_.1003111.g007.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-1282\" alt=\"journal.pcbi.1003111.g007\" src=\"https:\/\/skepticink.com\/smilodonsretreat\/files\/2013\/08\/journal.pcbi_.1003111.g007.png\" width=\"600\" height=\"582\" srcset=\"https:\/\/skepticink.com\/smilodonsretreat\/files\/2013\/08\/journal.pcbi_.1003111.g007.png 600w, https:\/\/skepticink.com\/smilodonsretreat\/files\/2013\/08\/journal.pcbi_.1003111.g007-300x291.png 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 600px) 100vw, 600px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>This is what happens to complexity and fitness when you remove the concept of natural selection.\u00a0 Instead of taking the best of each trial to reproduce for the next trial, in these graphs, random bugs were allowed to reproduce.<\/p>\n<p>This, very simply, shows that random mutation and natural selection are sufficient to increase the complexity and information in a population of organisms over time.<\/p>\n<p>These papers are simply stunning pieces of work.<\/p>\n<p>_____________________________________<\/p>\n<p>* I find this very interesting in that it&#8217;s one of the few evolution by genetic algorithm experiments in which a designed bug was better than the final evolved versions.\u00a0 I do wonder what would have happened had the experiment gone another 10,000 generations.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I have been saying for years that Intelligent Design proponents need to get serious about doing some research.\u00a0 The 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