{"id":546,"date":"2014-10-28T06:23:56","date_gmt":"2014-10-28T06:23:56","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/skepticink.com\/notung\/?p=546"},"modified":"2014-10-28T06:23:56","modified_gmt":"2014-10-28T06:23:56","slug":"non-fallacious-uses-of-tu-quoque","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/skepticink.com\/notung\/2014\/10\/28\/non-fallacious-uses-of-tu-quoque\/","title":{"rendered":"Non-fallacious uses of &#8220;tu quoque&#8221;"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>A <em>tu quoque<\/em>, or a &#8216;you too&#8217; statement is generally thought to be fallacious. As with most things thought to be fallacies, this depends on the way\u00a0it is used.<\/p>\n<p>Now, we can certainly agree that <em>tu quoque<\/em> considerations have no impact on the truth value of the claim being responded to. So, if a reader of the <em>Daily Mirror<\/em> newspaper complains\u00a0that the <em>Daily Mail<\/em> is biased towards the political right, a\u00a0response that the <em>Mirror<\/em> is biased towards the political left in no way refutes it. I take this as obvious and self-evident.<\/p>\n<p>The <em>tu quoque<\/em> fallacy therefore is the implication that a <em>tu quoque<\/em> statement does demonstrate that the claim it is a response to is false. Alternatively, a\u00a0<em>tu quoque\u00a0<\/em>could be employed as a way of distracting from an argument in order to avoid having to deal with a point. We might also call this latter informal fallacy*\u00a0a\u00a0<em>red herring<\/em> or &#8220;whataboutery&#8221;.<\/p>\n<p>What if, however, the response in the above example was not meant to refute the claim that the <em>Mail<\/em> is biased, but rather to provide some other challenge? If the bias of the <em>Mail<\/em> is an issue because bias in a newspaper in general is a problem (let&#8217;s assume this is what was meant by the initial statement), then one must be against the bias of the <em>Mirror<\/em> as well. The <em>tu quoque<\/em> response challenges the <em>Mirror<\/em> reader to apply their principle universally, and (assuming the <em>tu quoque<\/em> statement is a true one) must decide between supporting the principle and denouncing the <em>Mirror<\/em> for the same flaw. Most of the time, it is the principle that is discarded.<\/p>\n<p>There is then some value in the <i>tu quoque\u00a0<\/i>response, but we must realise its limits. Even if the\u00a0<em>Mirror<\/em> reader retracts the principle because they did not want to apply it to the\u00a0<em>Mirror<\/em>, it doesn&#8217;t follow that the principle is wrong. For instance, the retraction might have been based on psychological reasons &#8211; a recognition of the cognitive dissonance coupled with a strong desire for the\u00a0<em>Mirror<\/em> to remain in high regard.<\/p>\n<p>That said, if our goal is to convince someone that their principle does not withstand scrutiny and the\u00a0<em>tu quoque<\/em> succeeds as a means of doing so, then so long as we keep in mind that it doesn&#8217;t necessarily prove the principle <em>false<\/em>,\u00a0we should be satisfied. It can be a useful illustrative\u00a0tool to have at our disposal, especially when our interlocutor is developing an\u00a0<em>ad hoc<\/em> principle to justify a spurious claim.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<hr \/>\n<p>* I would prefer to call this a &#8220;dishonest tactic&#8221;, as I don&#8217;t really think it qualifies as any sort of reasoning at all.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>&nbsp; A tu quoque, or a &#8216;you too&#8217; statement is generally thought to be fallacious. As with most things thought&hellip;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":18,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[22,20,13],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-546","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-featured","category-philosophy-2","category-reason-and-argument"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/skepticink.com\/notung\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/546","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/skepticink.com\/notung\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/skepticink.com\/notung\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/skepticink.com\/notung\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/18"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/skepticink.com\/notung\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=546"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/skepticink.com\/notung\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/546\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/skepticink.com\/notung\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=546"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/skepticink.com\/notung\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=546"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/skepticink.com\/notung\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=546"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}