{"id":326,"date":"2012-09-15T00:42:30","date_gmt":"2012-09-15T00:42:30","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.skepticblogs.com\/humesapprentice\/?p=326"},"modified":"2012-09-15T00:42:30","modified_gmt":"2012-09-15T00:42:30","slug":"philosophy-of-language-in-the-creationevolution-debate","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/skepticink.com\/humesapprentice\/2012\/09\/15\/philosophy-of-language-in-the-creationevolution-debate\/","title":{"rendered":"Philosophy of Language in the Creation\/Evolution Debate."},"content":{"rendered":"<p>The philosophy of language, while being a little bit dry, is very important. We need to understand what words mean when we use them. When we don&#8217;t, we open ourselves up to the possibility of getting confused and even asking meaningless questions. However, there are some very interesting ways that this applies to the creation\/evolution debate.<\/p>\n<p><!--more--><\/p>\n<p>Youtuber SteveLikes2Curse put it so well that I just have to <a href=\"http:\/\/youtu.be\/cRFarRkQl1w\">quote him<\/a>: &#8220;Some creationists will say that &#8216;Evolution cannot create new information!'&#8221; Not realizing that the information they&#8217;re referring to is a sequence of nucleic acids and an alternation in a sequence of nucleic acids (a mutation) that results necessarily in a new sequence of nucleic acids is the definition of nucleic acids.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>A creationist might rebut this by shifting the goal posts and saying, &#8220;Oh, by the way, it has to be a new sequence that results in a new function&#8221; but even that claim is dead in the water already because we&#8217;ve observed it too. A certain bacteria was subject to an insertion mutation, and this led to its <a href=\"http:\/\/www.nmsr.org\/nylon.htm\"><span style=\"color: #446600\">ability to digest nylon<\/span><\/a>. In another case, E. Coli was <a href=\"http:\/\/lib.bioinfo.pl\/pmid:2852143\"><span style=\"color: #446600\">observed to undergo 2 insertion mutations<\/span><\/a> which allowed it to digest <a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Salicin\"><span style=\"color: #446600\">Salicin<\/span><\/a>. Furthermore, insertion sequences have had <a href=\"http:\/\/www.genomenewsnetwork.org\/articles\/05_03\/junk.shtml\">major contributions in the evolution of primates<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>Another semantic-type objection is when creationists say that one &#8216;kind&#8217; of animal cannot change into another &#8216;kind&#8217; of animal, thus meaning that evolution can&#8217;t happen. I&#8217;ve written a humorous dialogue to convey my thoughts on this:<\/p>\n<p>Mr. Sensible: Tell Me, Mr. Creationist, what is a kind?<\/p>\n<p>Mr. Creationist: Look at the Great Dane, the Collie, the Chihuaha, and the Poodle. They&#8217;re very different, but we can detect that they ought to be grouped together due to their great similarity. I call that grouping a &#8216;kind.&#8217;<\/p>\n<p>Mr. Sensible: Tell me what the defining characteristics are for that group. Just so we can have some scientific precision.<\/p>\n<p>Mr. Creationist: A dog walks on four legs, it has fur, two eyes, two ears, you get the picture.<\/p>\n<p>Mr. Sensible: But what about the <a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Peruvian_Hairless_Dog\">Peruvian hairless<\/a>? Is it still a dog even though it has no hair, which you said was a defining characteristic?<\/p>\n<p>Mr. Creationist: Okay, I&#8217;ll take fur off my list. How about I just use the other items?<\/p>\n<p>Mr. Sensible: Not so fast. Time for a thought experiment: What if my pet dog gets pregnant and has a mutant baby with no ears. Things like this have been known to happen from time to time. Would that still be a dog?<\/p>\n<p>Mr. Creationist: Sure. I see where you&#8217;re going with this, so I&#8217;ll drop ears off my list too.<\/p>\n<p>Mr. Sensible: But we could do the same thing with just about any and every characteristic you&#8217;ve listed.<\/p>\n<p>Mr. Creationist: Uh-oh.<\/p>\n<p>Mr. Sensible: So the word &#8216;kind&#8217; refers to nothing, at least given the way that you&#8217;re using it.<\/p>\n<p>Mr. Creationist: I grant that you&#8217;ve got a good philosophical point, but you use &#8216;kind&#8217; and other similarly vague words all the time in your own day to day life. Surely you don&#8217;t think you&#8217;re talking nonsense when you do that? I mean, these words must have meaning, even if there are some philosophical puzzles about them that we don&#8217;t know how to solve?<\/p>\n<p>Mr. Sensible: Of course. However, the way that we deal with vagueness is not going to be friendly to your argument. Let me explain: suppose that we define the word &#8216;dog&#8217; to include all the characteristics you mentioned, but instead of the definition being rigid and inflexible, let&#8217;s say that we treat each characteristic like a check box. Every animal that can meet <em>most<\/em> of those checkboxes counts as a &#8216;dog.&#8217; We may not be able to say <em>exactly<\/em> how many checkboxes the animal in question has to have in order for it to be a &#8216;dog&#8217;, but we can push that problem aside if we just allow that enough checkboxes in order to match our intuitions about what the word &#8216;dog&#8217; means. If we adopt this framework, the you&#8217;re whole contention that &#8220;one kind cannot change into another kind&#8221; is dissolved. If a &#8220;kind&#8221; just represents a set of checkboxes, and an animal in any given &#8220;kind&#8221; doesn&#8217;t have to meet all of them in order to be considered a member, then it&#8217;s safe to say that no evolutionist believes an animal ever gave birth to an animal of a completely different kind.<\/p>\n<p>Mr. Creationist: But I thought they did. Don&#8217;t evolutionists believe that the whale kind came from the land animal kind?<\/p>\n<p>Mr. Sensible: Sure they do, but the belief that whales evolved from land mammals isn&#8217;t at odds with this framework. We evolutionists think that a population of land mammals changed a little bit a time over many generations into whales. Every single generation gave birth to animals that you would say were &#8220;of the same kind.&#8221; But every few generations a characteristic or two changed. If a scientist had been able to study these whales over tens of thousands of generations, and he kept a checkbox list to describe the species, every few hundred generations he would&#8217;ve had to add a new check box or cross one off. Eventually, the check box list he would end up with would look a lot different from the one he started with. So you see, evolution can co-exist with idea that no animal ever has a child that doesn&#8217;t at least mostly match the parent&#8217;s checkbox description. All you have to do is say that the radical changes in the checkbox took place over lots of generations and not just one. And that&#8217;s what every single evolutionist, even Charles Darwin, believed.<\/p>\n<p>Mr. Creationist: Wow, I&#8217;ve learned a lot. Unlike most of my logic-hating friends, I&#8217;m not going to try and wriggle out of this refutation with absurd mental gymnastics or stubborn refusal to change my mind. I accept your refutation. Thank you.<\/p>\n<p>Mr. Sensible: You&#8217;re welcome. And here&#8217;s a copy of <a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/product\/0143116649\/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=0143116649&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;tag=ansingenbus-20\"><em>Why Evolution is True<\/em><\/a>, it&#8217;ll get you up to date on the evidence for evolution.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>The philosophy of language, while being a little bit dry, is very important. We need to understand what words mean&hellip;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":11,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[1],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-326","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-uncategorized"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/skepticink.com\/humesapprentice\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/326","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/skepticink.com\/humesapprentice\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/skepticink.com\/humesapprentice\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/skepticink.com\/humesapprentice\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/11"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/skepticink.com\/humesapprentice\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=326"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/skepticink.com\/humesapprentice\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/326\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/skepticink.com\/humesapprentice\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=326"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/skepticink.com\/humesapprentice\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=326"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/skepticink.com\/humesapprentice\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=326"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}