{"id":317,"date":"2013-02-09T11:39:56","date_gmt":"2013-02-09T00:39:56","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/skepticink.com\/hellfireclub\/?p=317"},"modified":"2013-02-09T11:56:16","modified_gmt":"2013-02-09T00:56:16","slug":"sydney-meetup-with-darrel-ray","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/skepticink.com\/hellfireclub\/2013\/02\/09\/sydney-meetup-with-darrel-ray\/","title":{"rendered":"Sydney meetup with Darrel Ray"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>I spent yesterday evening in Sydney (leaving me pretty tired this morning after the long drive home, late at night), attending a function put together by Sydney Atheists. This involved a lecture from Darrel Ray and a dinner afterwards for those who wished to go along. I enjoyed meeting Darrel Ray, and we had a good conversation over dinner. It\u00a0ranged across many topics including possible secular objections to pornography,\u00a0codes of conduct at atheist conventions, the current internal\u00a0wars within the atheist movement, and some of the personalities involved in the latter. I\u00a0don&#8217;t like to blog about what is said in private conversations, except to the extent that\u00a0I think the\u00a0other person involved would be cool with it, so I&#8217;ll pass over the detail. Suffice to say that\u00a0Darrel\u00a0seemed like a friendly, but\u00a0thoughtful and considered, sort of bloke.<\/p>\n<p>His lecture must have<a href=\"https:\/\/skepticink.com\/hellfireclub\/2013\/02\/09\/sydney-meetup-with-darrel-ray\/sex-and-god\/\" rel=\"attachment wp-att-318\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignleft size-medium wp-image-318\" src=\"https:\/\/skepticink.com\/hellfireclub\/files\/2013\/02\/sex-and-god-199x300.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"199\" height=\"300\" srcset=\"https:\/\/skepticink.com\/hellfireclub\/files\/2013\/02\/sex-and-god-199x300.png 199w, https:\/\/skepticink.com\/hellfireclub\/files\/2013\/02\/sex-and-god.png 399w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 199px) 100vw, 199px\" \/><\/a> gone for a full hour, or close to it, followed by a question time that was almost as long. The focus was on sexual morals and\u00a0attitudes for secular people, and the general approach was to argue against the traditional morality that we&#8217;ve inherited, with all the guilt and shame bound up with it, and of course with its entanglement with religious notions of sin and purity. Darrel\u00a0provided an entertaining slide show to illustrate what is known about the respective sexualities of gorillas, chimpanzees, bonobos, and human beings, with an emphasis on how we all (except maybe the gorillas) co-opt sex for\u00a0a lot more than reproduction. Human sexuality, in particular, is fluid, diverse,\u00a0and multiply repurposed.<\/p>\n<p>He argued strongly against the notion of sex having a morally proper purpose\u00a0restricted to reproduction, against shaming people over their sexual displays or practices (so long as we are talking about consenting adults), and specifically against the claim\u00a0that we are naturally monogamous animals (and by implication against any notion that our moral norms should be constructed to meet the needs of naturally monogamous animals). Instead, he argued for a secular approach to sexuality that is sex-positive, non-judgmental as far as possible,\u00a0broadly\u00a0inclusive, and intolerant of slut shaming and other forms of sexual intolerance.<\/p>\n<p>All good food for thought, and the audience of 60 or 70 people seemed fascinated.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I spent yesterday evening in Sydney (leaving me pretty tired this morning after the long drive home, late at night), attending a function put together by Sydney Atheists. This involved a lecture from Darrel Ray and a dinner afterwards for those who wished to go along. I enjoyed meeting Darrel Ray, and we had a [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":37,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[98,6,11],"tags":[151,154,142],"class_list":["post-317","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-books-2","category-personal","category-philosophy","tag-darrel-ray","tag-sexual-morals","tag-sexuality"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/skepticink.com\/hellfireclub\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/317","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/skepticink.com\/hellfireclub\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/skepticink.com\/hellfireclub\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/skepticink.com\/hellfireclub\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/37"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/skepticink.com\/hellfireclub\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=317"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/skepticink.com\/hellfireclub\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/317\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/skepticink.com\/hellfireclub\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=317"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/skepticink.com\/hellfireclub\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=317"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/skepticink.com\/hellfireclub\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=317"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}