{"id":285,"date":"2012-11-29T10:34:24","date_gmt":"2012-11-29T15:34:24","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/skepticink.com\/dangeroustalk\/?p=285"},"modified":"2012-11-30T16:03:12","modified_gmt":"2012-11-30T21:03:12","slug":"the-war-on-holiday-has-begun","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/skepticink.com\/dangeroustalk\/2012\/11\/29\/the-war-on-holiday-has-begun\/","title":{"rendered":"The \u2018War on Holiday\u2019 has begun"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Christians are always talking about the \u201cWar on Christmas,\u201d but the fact is that no one has forced anyone not to say \u201cMerry Christmas.\u201d The same can\u2019t be said for the greeting of \u201cHappy Holidays.\u201d So I don\u2019t think the war is on Christmas at all. I think the war in on holidays and what is going on in my local area is proof of that.<\/p>\n<p>This year, Chester County Pennsylvania has to consider whether or not to allow the Freethought Society\u2019s Tree of Knowledge as well as the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.examiner.com\/article\/pastafarians-fight-county-commissioners-for-holiday-display\" target=\"_blank\">Pastafarian Holiday Tree<\/a>. They are not expected to allow either.<\/p>\n<p>The Tree of Knowledge did go up for three years in the county capital of West Chester, but then the religious right decided to kick us out. They put up a choo choo train and claimed that it represented secular residents. Apparently, legal experts thought that defense would be too difficult to fight. But the Pastafarian Tree for their religious holiday of Holiday might be more difficult for them to argue against.<\/p>\n<p>If they do deny the Pastafarian Tree, they will be waging a \u201cWar on \u2018Holiday.\u2019\u201d\u00a0 I wrote to Commissioner Farrell (the closest to a swing vote there is and he authored the restrictive policy). Here is my letter:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>I am a former resident of West Chester (from &#8217;93- &#8217;06) and I currently live with my family in nearby Delaware County. During the three years the Tree of Knowledge was on the courthouse lawn, I took my family to see it. As a non-theist, it is difficult to feel accepted and to have a place where I can take my kids with pride and teach them about my values. The Tree of Knowledge gives us that opportunity.<\/p>\n<p>Also, I value freedom and diversity. So I also want to express my support for the Pastafarians to have their display. If the county is going to allow Christianity to have a spot, they must also allow all other religious viewpoints. While it is true that atheism isn&#8217;t a religion, it is still protected as a religion in the same way that silent protests are protected under free speech.<\/p>\n<p>Some religious believers claim that the Tree of Knowledge &#8220;offends&#8221; them. Well the cr\u00e8che &#8220;offends&#8221; me! To me it is a representation of the hatefulness of the Christian religion which dictates that if we don&#8217;t believe in Jesus, we will be tortured in Hell for all eternity. Even though it offends me, I support the right of everyone to have an equal spot on the courthouse lawn. We don&#8217;t have the right in this country to be shielded from things that offend us. If the Tree of Knowledge &#8220;offends&#8221; some Christians, then that&#8217;s too bad. Atheists have every right to be treated equally under the law and our Tree of Knowledge should be granted equal consideration.<br \/>\nThanks You,<br \/>\n-Staks Rosch<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Personally, I don\u2019t think any religious displays show be allowed on government land, but we aren\u2019t going to win that fight. So this is the best strategy. If we can\u2019t beat them, join them. If they are going to be there, then we should be there too. Let\u2019s put it all out there in the free market of ideas. Let the best ideas win. Atheists have nothing to fear because religious ideas have no evidence and it is easy for us to point that out. Christians on the other hand are afraid to include us, because in the free market of ideas, their ideas lose!<\/p>\n<p><strong>UPDATE<\/strong>: <a href=\"http:\/\/www.examiner.com\/article\/pastafarian-holiday-tree-rejected\" target=\"_blank\">Pastafarian Holiday Tree rejected!<\/a> New video included in the article. Tracy&#8217;s awesome!<\/p>\n<p><strong>Please share some of my other article on the subject:<\/strong><br \/>\n<a href=\"http:\/\/www.examiner.com\/article\/pastafarians-fight-county-commissioners-for-holiday-display\" target=\"_blank\">Pastafarians fight county commissioners for Holiday display<\/a><br \/>\n<a href=\"http:\/\/www.examiner.com\/article\/tree-of-knowledge-a-new-atheist-tradition\" target=\"_blank\">Tree of Knowledge: A new atheist tradition<\/a><br \/>\n<a href=\"http:\/\/www.examiner.com\/article\/in-defense-of-the-tree-of-knowledge\" target=\"_blank\">In defense of the Tree of Knowledge<\/a><br \/>\n<a href=\"http:\/\/www.examiner.com\/article\/atheists-protest-holiday-exclusion-with-human-tree-of-knowledge\" target=\"_blank\">Atheists protest holiday exclusion with Human Tree of Knowledge<\/a><\/p>\n<h6 class=\"zemanta-related-title\" style=\"font-size: 1em\">Related articles<\/h6>\n<ul class=\"zemanta-article-ul zemanta-article-ul-image\" style=\"margin: 0;padding: 0;overflow: hidden\">\n<li class=\"zemanta-article-ul-li-image zemanta-article-ul-li\"><a href=\"http:\/\/www.rawstory.com\/rs\/2012\/11\/28\/pastafarians-demand-equal-access-to-pennsylvania-courthouse-holiday-display\/\" target=\"_blank\"><img decoding=\"async\" style=\"padding: 0;margin: 0;border: 0;width: 80px\" src=\"http:\/\/i.zemanta.com\/noimg_51_80_80.jpg\" alt=\"\" \/><\/a><a href=\"http:\/\/www.rawstory.com\/rs\/2012\/11\/28\/pastafarians-demand-equal-access-to-pennsylvania-courthouse-holiday-display\/\" target=\"_blank\">Pastafarians demand equal access to Pennsylvania courthouse holiday display<\/a><\/li>\n<li class=\"zemanta-article-ul-li-image zemanta-article-ul-li\"><a href=\"https:\/\/skepticink.com\/dangeroustalk\/2012\/11\/26\/christians-think-before-you-greet\/\" target=\"_blank\"><img decoding=\"async\" style=\"padding: 0;margin: 0;border: 0;width: 80px\" src=\"http:\/\/i.zemanta.com\/noimg_56_80_80.jpg\" alt=\"\" \/><\/a><a href=\"https:\/\/skepticink.com\/dangeroustalk\/2012\/11\/26\/christians-think-before-you-greet\/\" target=\"_blank\">Christians: Think Before You Greet<\/a><\/li>\n<li class=\"zemanta-article-ul-li-image zemanta-article-ul-li\"><a href=\"https:\/\/skepticink.com\/dangeroustalk\/2012\/11\/21\/the-awkward-thanksgiving-religious-conversions\/\" target=\"_blank\"><img decoding=\"async\" style=\"padding: 0;margin: 0;border: 0;width: 80px\" src=\"http:\/\/i.zemanta.com\/noimg_82_80_80.jpg\" alt=\"\" \/><\/a><a href=\"https:\/\/skepticink.com\/dangeroustalk\/2012\/11\/21\/the-awkward-thanksgiving-religious-conversions\/\" target=\"_blank\">The Awkward Thanksgiving Religious Conversions<\/a><\/li>\n<li class=\"zemanta-article-ul-li-image zemanta-article-ul-li\"><a href=\"https:\/\/skepticink.com\/dangeroustalk\/2012\/09\/28\/religions-are-not-people-my-friend\/\" target=\"_blank\"><img decoding=\"async\" style=\"padding: 0;margin: 0;border: 0;width: 80px\" src=\"http:\/\/i.zemanta.com\/noimg_52_80_80.jpg\" alt=\"\" \/><\/a><a href=\"https:\/\/skepticink.com\/dangeroustalk\/2012\/09\/28\/religions-are-not-people-my-friend\/\" target=\"_blank\">Religions Are Not People My Friend<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<div class=\"zemanta-pixie\" style=\"margin-top: 10px;height: 15px\"><a class=\"zemanta-pixie-a\" title=\"Enhanced by Zemanta\" href=\"http:\/\/www.zemanta.com\/?px\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"zemanta-pixie-img\" style=\"border: none;float: right\" src=\"http:\/\/img.zemanta.com\/zemified_e.png?x-id=0dce7fcd-fa12-4fa7-bcdb-b89fe0e9a39a\" alt=\"Enhanced by Zemanta\" \/><\/a><\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Christians are always talking about the \u201cWar on Christmas,\u201d but the fact is that no one has forced anyone not to say \u201cMerry Christmas.\u201d The same can\u2019t be said for the greeting of \u201cHappy Holidays.\u201d So I don\u2019t think the war is on Christmas at all. I think the war in on holidays and what is going on in my local area is proof of that. <\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":19,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[5,303,245,311],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-285","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-atheism-2","category-christmas","category-separation-of-church-and-state","category-tree-of-knowledge"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/skepticink.com\/dangeroustalk\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/285","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/skepticink.com\/dangeroustalk\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/skepticink.com\/dangeroustalk\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/skepticink.com\/dangeroustalk\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/19"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/skepticink.com\/dangeroustalk\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=285"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/skepticink.com\/dangeroustalk\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/285\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/skepticink.com\/dangeroustalk\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=285"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/skepticink.com\/dangeroustalk\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=285"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/skepticink.com\/dangeroustalk\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=285"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}