{"id":1177,"date":"2014-02-26T08:04:05","date_gmt":"2014-02-26T13:04:05","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/skepticink.com\/dangeroustalk\/?p=1177"},"modified":"2014-02-26T08:04:05","modified_gmt":"2014-02-26T13:04:05","slug":"finally-proof-jesus-god","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/skepticink.com\/dangeroustalk\/2014\/02\/26\/finally-proof-jesus-god\/","title":{"rendered":"Finally, \u2018Proof Jesus Was God\u2019"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><a href=\"https:\/\/skepticink.com\/dangeroustalk\/files\/2014\/02\/are-you-there-god-its-you-jesus.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignright size-medium wp-image-1178\" alt=\"are-you-there-god-its-you-jesus\" src=\"https:\/\/skepticink.com\/dangeroustalk\/files\/2014\/02\/are-you-there-god-its-you-jesus-221x300.jpg\" width=\"221\" height=\"300\" srcset=\"https:\/\/skepticink.com\/dangeroustalk\/files\/2014\/02\/are-you-there-god-its-you-jesus-221x300.jpg 221w, https:\/\/skepticink.com\/dangeroustalk\/files\/2014\/02\/are-you-there-god-its-you-jesus.jpg 630w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 221px) 100vw, 221px\" \/><\/a>Early last week, a Christian commented that he had proof the Jesus was God. I\u2019m an open minded sort, so I asked him to present his \u201cproof.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Well, it wasn\u2019t quite that simple. He told me that I had to call him on the phone to get his \u201cproof.\u201d I\u2019m not much of a phone person and my time is sporadic and limited. So I questioned him on his \u201cproof.\u201d I asked him to Google this \u201cproof\u201d because I have pretty much heard every argument and more times than not, the \u201cproof\u201d is something stupid like, \u201call of nature is proof of God,\u201d or \u201cmillions of people can\u2019t be wrong,\u201d or \u201cif you are wrong, you will be tortured for all eternity,\u201d or \u201cmiracle!\u201d A simple Google search usually knocks the wind out of the sails of these types of Christians.<\/p>\n<p>For the record, I don\u2019t even need proof; I would settle for some valid evidence. Am I not merciful. Keep in mind that just proving that God exists wouldn\u2019t convert me to Christianity nor would proving that Jesus was God and that the Bible is 100% true. Sure if a Christian could present some valid evidence for his or her deity of choice, I would no longer be an atheist and I would absolutely accept that God exists. But that doesn\u2019t mean I would worship such a deity.<\/p>\n<p>No, I would then require a reason to worship. Being all-powerful isn\u2019t enough. God would have to prove himself morally and if the Bible is any indication, God fails on that one. In fact, if reality is any indication, God fails on that one too.<\/p>\n<p>Anyway, so I finally locked down a time to Skype with this Christian so that I could hear this \u201cproof\u201d since he was unwilling to e-mail it to me. Are you ready?<\/p>\n<p>He told me that I had to take careful note of my emotional state. For the record, I was in a pretty calm mood. Then he told me to repeat after him (which I did), \u201cJesus Christ, I am seeking you, please reveal yourself to me through my emotions.\u201d I\u2019m paraphrasing, but that was pretty much the gist of it.<\/p>\n<p>Guess what happened? Nothing! Not a thing. My new Christian was stunned. I even did it again for him. He told me that he had presented this \u201cproof\u201d to over one hundred people and that it worked every time. I explained to him this was <a href=\"http:\/\/www.dangeroustalk.net\/?p=2296\" target=\"_blank\">not the first time<\/a> I had sincerely asked God for a sign and got nothing.<\/p>\n<p>Apparently, the fact that I got nothing did nothing to diminish his belief in his deity of choice. If God always answers this type of prayer, then the fact that I wasn\u2019t converted on the spot seems like pretty strong evidence against the existence of this deity. Yet my new Christian friend said that he would pray to God to find out why I was not shown the sign that I asked for. I bet God tells him that I wasn\u2019t sincere enough. That\u2019s how this game is usually played.<\/p>\n<p>So it took me about a week to pry this \u201cproof\u201d from this Christian and it was disappointing. 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