Addressing the question:<\/p>\n
(1) How is it even possible<\/span> for there to be objective laws of logic in the absence of the Christian God?<\/p>\n I pointed out that atheists simply deny the existence of God – they are free to be idealists, substance dualists, Platonists, etc. There is no immediate problem for them accommodating laws of logic.<\/p>\n But Sye presses his challenge: what explains<\/span> and underpins<\/span> these laws, then, if not the Christian God?<\/p>\n One possible answer: maybe nothing does. Maybe they just obtain, period.<\/p>\n Or maybe they don’t need<\/span> underpinning, because the question “What makes them necessary?” is itself confused (I quite like this answer, actually).<\/p>\n It won’t do to say, Sye: “But you are just claiming<\/span> that the laws of logic may just be true, period, not arguing<\/span> specifically that they are<\/span> just true, period” as you do.<\/p>\n After all, it is you that’s insisting an atheist cannot accommodate objective laws of logic, not we who are insisting we can (some of us don’t, in fact). Hey, perhaps we can’t! I am here to be persuaded. But the onus is on you<\/span> to show we can’t. For it is you that’s claiming there can be no laws of logic without the Christian God.<\/p>\n I have simply suggested that this may<\/span> be true – that there are objective laws of logic, period – you have not shown that it can’t<\/span> be true that the laws of logic just are true, period, i.e. are not made<\/span> true by some yet deeper fact.<\/p>\n The onus is now on you to show that this can’t<\/span> be true. Perhaps you can, but I am interested to see how.<\/p>\n Of course, at this point you’ll probably just switch to question (2): but how do you, Stephen, justify<\/span> your use of the laws of logic? But that’s a different question. I am currently addressing question (1). You have yet to show this particular suggestion re. question (1) won’t do.<\/p>\n Of course, even if you could<\/span> show that this particular answer won’t do, that would not establish your claim that the laws of logic can’t exist without the Christian God.<\/p>\n There are very many other atheist responses available, which you are also going to have to shoot down. One by one.<\/p>\n And even then <\/span>you are not done – you are also going to have to deal with the serious problem that there are innumerable other<\/span> dieties who might account for the laws of logic, dieties that have the advantage that there’s not overwhelming evidence against their existence (as there is against your God: the problem of evil). Why not a god that is necessary, all-powerful, but morally neutral, say? Rule that god out, please.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":" Addressing the question: (1) How is it even possible for there to be objective laws of logic in the absence of the Christian God? I pointed out that atheists simply deny the existence of God – they are free to be idealists, substance dualists, Platonists, etc. There is no immediate problem for them accommodating laws […]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":13,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[68],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-814","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-sinner-ministries-proof-of-the-existence-of-god"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/skepticink.com\/believingbullshit\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/814","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/skepticink.com\/believingbullshit\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/skepticink.com\/believingbullshit\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/skepticink.com\/believingbullshit\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/13"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/skepticink.com\/believingbullshit\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=814"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/skepticink.com\/believingbullshit\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/814\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/skepticink.com\/believingbullshit\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=814"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/skepticink.com\/believingbullshit\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=814"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/skepticink.com\/believingbullshit\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=814"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}