{"id":725,"date":"2008-11-17T10:13:00","date_gmt":"2008-11-17T10:13:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/skepticink.com\/believingbullshit\/2008\/11\/17\/god-knowing-without-evidence\/"},"modified":"2008-11-17T10:13:00","modified_gmt":"2008-11-17T10:13:00","slug":"god-knowing-without-evidence","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/skepticink.com\/believingbullshit\/2008\/11\/17\/god-knowing-without-evidence\/","title":{"rendered":"God: Knowing without evidence"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>In discussion about the existence of God, atheists often demand to see the evidence for God, and, in response, some theists (with some familiarity with the &#8220;reformed epistemology&#8221; of theists like Alston, Plantinga, etc.) will ask why evidence is needed in order for the belief to be rational\/reasonable.<\/p>\n<p>Exactly this has been going on in the <a href=\"http:\/\/stephenlaw.blogspot.com\/2008\/11\/book-club-god-delusion-chpt-10.html\">comments on my final installment of the God Delusion book club.<\/a><\/p>\n<p>If you are scratching your head over this (and some of you clearly are) here is a very brief explanation.<\/p>\n<p>One popular sort of theory of knowledge (knowledge = justified true belief) says that:<\/p>\n<p>a knows that P if and only if:<br \/>(i) a believes P<br \/>(ii) P is true<br \/>(iii) a is justified in believing P<\/p>\n<p>What does &#8220;justified&#8221; mean? Well, good evidence would provide justification &#8211; you infer the belief from this evidence. But a regress threatens. To know A, I infer it from B, but to know B I must infer it from C, ad infinitum. But then no belief will be justified. Global scepticism looms.<\/p>\n<p>One way out of the regress is to either (i) understand &#8220;justified&#8221; as including non-inferential forms of justification, or (ii) just drop the justification condition and replace it with something else.<\/p>\n<p>Here is an example of the second strategy:<\/p>\n<p>a knows that P iff:<br \/>(i) a believes that P<br \/>(ii) P is true<br \/>(iii) a&#8217;s belief that P is produced by the state of affairs P via a reliable mechanism<\/p>\n<p>This is a simple RELIABILIST theory of knowledge.<\/p>\n<p>Suppose your senses are <span style=\"font-style:italic\">reliable mechanisms for producing true beliefs<\/span>. If there&#8217;s an orange on the table in front of you, your eyes etc. will cause you to believe there&#8217;s an orange there. Remove the orange, and that will cause you to stop believing there&#8217;s an orange there. Because your senses are fairly reliable belief-producing mechanisms, your beliefs &#8220;track the truth&#8221; in a fairly reliable way.<\/p>\n<p>If that is the case, then you can be a knower. You can know there&#8217;s an orange on the table in front of you. You can know this, despite not <span style=\"font-style:italic\">inferring<\/span> that the orange is there from evidence. You simply, directly, know. Non-inferentially. And, indeed, <span style=\"font-style:italic\">without justification<\/span> (unless you want to redefine justification so that being in this situation counts as &#8220;being justified&#8221;).<\/p>\n<p>Moreover, add some philosophers, it is pretty <span style=\"font-style:italic\">reasonable<\/span> for you to believe there is an orange there if that is how it directly seems to you.<\/p>\n<p>So you can have a belief, unsupported by any inference, unjustified, yet nevertheless qualifying as both reasonable and (if the reliable mechanism is doing its stuff) knowledge.<\/p>\n<p>Of course, this theory of knowledge is manna from heaven to a theist. They can now suggest they may have a special sense &#8211; a God-sensing mechanism (&#8220;sensus divinitatis&#8221;) that is functioning reliably &#8211; which accounts for why it just seems to them that God exists. If there is such a mechanism, and it is producing their belief, then (i) it&#8217;s <span style=\"font-style:italic\">reasonable<\/span> for them to believe God exists, and (ii) they <span style=\"font-style:italic\">know<\/span> God exists, despite not possessing any evidence or justification.<\/p>\n<p>This is where Kyle is coming from, I take it. Ask a theist what their evidence for God is, and they can say &#8211; &#8220;I have no evidence. I just <span style=\"font-style:italic\">know<\/span> he does&#8221;. And, if reliabilism is correct, it could be true: they <span style=\"font-style:italic\">do<\/span> &#8220;just know&#8221;. In the same way that you can &#8220;just know&#8221; there&#8217;s an orange on the table.<\/p>\n<p>Personally, I quite like reliabilism and such &#8220;externalist&#8221; theories of knowledge (&#8220;externalist&#8221; means you don&#8217;t need to know that the conditions for your knowing obtain &#8211; you can know without knowing you know).<\/p>\n<p>However, I am, predictably, entirely unconvinced by theistic attempts to use reliabilism to show that their belief in God is reasonable, and, if it&#8217;s acquired by a reliable sensus divinitatis, knowledge. There are some pretty obvious problems with it (obvious even to many theists, in fact: they certainly don&#8217;t all go for this stuff).<\/p>\n<p>We did spend quite a lot of time on this stuff a while ago. See <a href=\"http:\/\/stephenlaw.blogspot.com\/2008\/03\/religious-experience.html\">here<\/a> and <a href=\"http:\/\/stephenlaw.blogspot.com\/2008\/03\/religious-experiences-telescope-analogy.html\">here<\/a>.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>In discussion about the existence of God, atheists often demand to see the evidence for God, and, in response, some theists (with some familiarity with the &#8220;reformed epistemology&#8221; of theists like Alston, Plantinga, etc.) will ask why evidence is needed in order for the belief to be rational\/reasonable. 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