{"id":1274,"date":"2013-09-17T09:07:36","date_gmt":"2013-09-17T09:07:36","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/skepticink.com\/believingbullshit\/?p=1274"},"modified":"2013-09-17T09:08:21","modified_gmt":"2013-09-17T09:08:21","slug":"skeptical-theism-and-divine-lies-the-mcbrayerswenson-response-to-wielenberg","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/skepticink.com\/believingbullshit\/2013\/09\/17\/skeptical-theism-and-divine-lies-the-mcbrayerswenson-response-to-wielenberg\/","title":{"rendered":"Skeptical Theism and Divine Lies: The McBrayer\/Swenson response to Wielenberg"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><b>Draft for comments please&#8230;<\/b><\/p>\n<p><!--\n@font-face {\nfont-family: \"\uff2d\uff33 \u660e\u671d\";\n}@font-face {\nfont-family: \"Cambria Math\";\n}p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal { margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: \"Times New Roman\"; }span.MsoEndnoteReference { vertical-align: super; }p.MsoEndnoteText, li.MsoEndnoteText, div.MsoEndnoteText { margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: \"Times New Roman\"; }span.EndnoteTextChar {  }.MsoChpDefault { font-size: 10pt; }div.WordSection1 { page: WordSection1; }\n--><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><b><span style=\"font-size: 14.0pt\">Skeptical Theism and Divine Lies: The McBrayer\/Swenson response to Wielenberg<\/span><\/b><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-size: 14.0pt\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><i><span style=\"font-size: 14.0pt\">1. Skeptical Theism<\/span><\/i><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-size: 14.0pt\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-size: 14.0pt\">Evidential arguments from evil often<a title=\"\" href=\"#_edn1\" name=\"_ednref1\"><span class=\"MsoEndnoteReference\"><span><span class=\"MsoEndnoteReference\"><span style=\"font-size: 14.0pt;font-family: 'Times New Roman'\">[i]<\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/a> take something like the following form:<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-size: 14.0pt\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-indent: 36.0pt\"><span style=\"font-size: 14.0pt\">If God exists, gratuitous evil does not exist.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-indent: 36.0pt\"><span style=\"font-size: 14.0pt\">Gratuitous evil exists.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-indent: 36.0pt\"><span style=\"font-size: 14.0pt\">Therefore, God does not exist<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-size: 14.0pt\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-size: 14.0pt\">Gratuitous evil is evil for which there is no God-justifying reason. Why suppose gratuitous evil exists? Well, we observe great evils for which we can identify no God-justifying reason. Thus, it is suggested, it\u2019s reasonable to believe gratuitous evil exists.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-size: 14.0pt\">\u00a0<!--more--><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-size: 14.0pt\">The skeptical theist challenges the reasoning offered in support of the second premise. True, we are sometimes justified in inferring that there are no Fs on the basis that there do not appear to be any Fs. I am justified in believing there are no elephants in my garage if there do not appear to be any elephants. But such Noseeum Inferences (REF), as they are known, aren\u2019t always sound. I am not justified in supposing there are no insects in my garage just because there do not appear to me to be any. Given my perceptual limitations, there could, for all I know, still be insects present. But then, given my cognitive limitations, there could, for all I know, be God-justifying reasons for the evils I observe despite the fact that I cannot identify any. I am not in a position to claim with any confidence either that such reasons exist, or that they do not. According to the skeptical theist, the probability that such reasons exist is inscrutable to me. But then I must withhold judgement on whether the second premise is true.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-size: 14.0pt\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-size: 14.0pt\">Skeptical theists sometimes draw a chess analogy. We are, it is suggested, like chess novices trying to comprehend why a Chess Grand Master has made the move she has. Given our cognitive limitations relative to the Chess Grand Master, the fact that the novices cannot think of a good reason for Grand Master\u2019s move does not make it reasonable for them to believe there is no reason. Similarly, given our cognitive limitations relative to God, the fact that we cannot think of a God-justifying reason for the evils we observe does not make it reasonable for us to believe there is no reason. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-size: 14.0pt\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-size: 14.0pt\">As McBrayer and Swenson, two exponents of skeptical theism, point out, the skeptical theist\u2019s applies not just to evils, but to any feature of the universe we might observe. Our inability to think of a God justifying reason for X, where X is some observed feature of the universe, is no reason to think that there is no such reason. Thus, according to McBrayer and Swenson, \u201cwe are not in a position to make all-things-considered judgements about what the world would be like if there were a God.\u201d (REF) According to McBrayer and Swenson,<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-size: 14.0pt\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin-top: 0cm;margin-right: 18.1pt;margin-bottom: .0001pt;margin-left: 1.0cm\"><span style=\"font-size: 14.0pt\">\u201cWhat a sceptical theist is committed to\u2026 is a general scepticism about our knowledge of what God would do in any particular situation. We don\u2019t think that atheists or theists can say with any serious degree of confidence why God does what he does or why he would or wouldn&#8217;t do a certain thing.\u201d (REF)<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-size: 14.0pt\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><i><span style=\"font-size: 14.0pt\">2. Skeptical theism and knowledge of God\u2019s goodness<\/span><\/i><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-size: 14.0pt\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-size: 14.0pt\">As McBrayer and Swenson acknowledge, skeptical theism threatens many popular arguments for the existence of the God of traditional monotheism. How are we to know that, not only is there an omnipotent and omniscient creator of the universe, but that this creator is <i>good<\/i>? Not, according to these authors, by observing the universe and drawing conclusions about the moral character of God on that basis. Skeptical theism has the consequence that what we observe of the universe and what goes on in it gives us no clue as to the moral character of our creator, if any.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-size: 14.0pt\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-size: 14.0pt\">Michael Bergmann, another skeptical theist, concurs that arguments for God\u2019s goodness based on identifying something as an all-considered good are undermined by skeptical theism. According to Bergmann, anyone who considers the order we see in the natural world or the joy we witness in people\u2019s lives give us reason to think that there is a good being who is the cause of such things is failing to take into account the lessons of skeptical theism. (2009 p.617)<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-size: 14.0pt\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-size: 14.0pt\">However, all these authors are quick to point out that the fact that this particular route to justified belief in God\u2019s goodness is blocked by skeptical theism does rule out our possessing justified belief in God\u2019s goodness <i>by some other route.<\/i> Alternative ways by which we might come to hold such a reasonable belief presumably include divine revelation and perhaps also some other form of inference not vulnerable to skeptical theism. As Bergmann says: \u201cWe needn\u2019t conclude \u2026 that the skeptical theist\u2019s skepticism is inconsistent with every way of arguing for the existence of a good God.\u201d 2009, pREF<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-size: 14.0pt\"><span>\u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><i><span style=\"font-size: 14.0pt\">3. Wielenberg on Divine Lies, and McBrayer and Swenson\u2019s response<\/span><\/i><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-size: 14.0pt\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-size: 14.0pt\">In his paper \u201cSkeptical Theism and Divine Lies\u201d (2009), Erik Wielenberg points out what appears to be an interesting and, for many theists, deeply worrying consequence of skeptical theism. If the fact that we cannot think of a justification for a given evil fails to justify the belief that no such justification exists, then the fact that we cannot think of a justification for God lying to us fails to justify the belief that no such justification exists. If skeptical theism is true, then the probability that God is lying to us is also inscrutable to us. But then, according to Wielenberg, skeptical theism has the consequence that, for all we know know, God\u2019s word constitutes not divine revelation but rather a justified, divine lie. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-size: 14.0pt\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin-top: 0cm;margin-right: 18.1pt;margin-bottom: .0001pt;margin-left: 1.0cm\"><span style=\"font-size: 14.0pt\">And this in turn implies that skeptical theism is at odds with any religious tradition according to which there are certain claims that we can know to be true solely in virtue of the fact that God has told us they are true. (2009 p509)<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-size: 14.0pt\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-size: 14.0pt\">Such claims appear to include, for example, the Christian claim that all who believe in Christ will have eternal life. A Christian who, in response to the problem of evil, expresses skepticism about our ability to discern what reasons God might have to allow evil, but, in response to God\u2019s utterances, fails to be similarly skeptical about our ability to discern what reasons might have to lie to us, is would appear to be employing their skepticism in an inconsistent and partisan way.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-size: 14.0pt\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><i><span style=\"font-size: 14.0pt\">4. McBrayer and Swenson\u2019s response to Wielenberg<\/span><\/i><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-size: 14.0pt\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-size: 14.0pt\">In response to Weilenberg\u2019s argument, McBrayer and Swenson maintain that, for the mainstream religious folk who employ skeptical theism to deal with the problem of evil, Wielenberg\u2019s argument, \u201cis not as scary as it first appears\u201d. The skeptical theist should grant the <i>possibility<\/i> of divine lies. However,<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-size: 14.0pt\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin-top: 0cm;margin-right: 25.15pt;margin-bottom: .0001pt;margin-left: 1.0cm\"><span style=\"font-size: 14.0pt\">(o)ther things being equal, God would, of course, tell us only what was true. This isn\u2019t an all-things-considered judgement but a <i>ceteris paribus <\/i>one. Only the former is off limits according to sceptical theism. But since we\u2019re in no position to determine whether or not the <i>ceteris paribus<\/i> clause is met, we should allow that it is possible that God is lying to us.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin-top: 0cm;margin-right: 25.15pt;margin-bottom: .0001pt;margin-left: 1.0cm\"><span style=\"font-size: 14.0pt\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin-right: 3.9pt\"><span style=\"font-size: 14.0pt\">McBrayer and Swenson\u2019s thought here seems to be that, given that we know that, <i>ceteris paribus<\/i>, God would tell us the truth, it\u2019s reasonable for us to believe what he tells us. True, given skeptical theism, we cannot know, all things considered, whether or not that <i>ceteris paribus <\/i>clause is met. But this is to acknowledge only the <i>possibility<\/i> of God lying to us. If we know that, other things being equal, God would tell the truth, we can remain justifiably confident about the truth of his pronouncements, just as we can justifiably remain confident about the pronouncements of other people even while acknowledging the possibility that they are lying, as McBrayer and Swenson go on to explain:<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin-right: 3.9pt\"><span style=\"font-size: 14.0pt\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin-top: 0cm;margin-right: 25.15pt;margin-bottom: .0001pt;margin-left: 1.0cm\"><span style=\"font-size: 14.0pt\">People have deceived us in the past. And in many cases, we simply can\u2019t tell whether they are being deceitful in any given instance. And yet we think it\u2019s perfectly rational to accept the testimony of such people. Thus it is appropriate to accept testimony in general even though we know that it is possible the testimony is misleading. Given this epistemic fact, it is also appropriate to accept the testimony of God even though we know that it is possible that God is deceiving us.\u201d (McBrayer and Swenson, p148, see also McBrayer ST 2010 617 <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin-right: 25.15pt\"><span style=\"font-size: 14.0pt\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-size: 14.0pt\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><i><span style=\"font-size: 14.0pt\">4. Why McBrayer and Swenson\u2019s response to Wielenberg fails<\/span><\/i><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-size: 14.0pt\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-size: 14.0pt\">Consider McBrayer and Swenson\u2019s claim that<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-size: 14.0pt\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-indent: 36.0pt\"><span style=\"font-size: 14.0pt\">(G)<i> Ceteris paribus<\/i>: God would tell us only what is true<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-size: 14.0pt\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-size: 14.0pt\">How should this claim to be understood? <i>Ceteris paribus<\/i> claims often take the form of generalizations that license predictions. Consider:<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-size: 14.0pt\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-indent: 36.0pt\"><span style=\"font-size: 14.0pt\">(T) <i>Ceteris paribus<\/i>: cats live more then six years<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-size: 14.0pt\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-size: 14.0pt\">The suggestion here is that as a general rule (more often than not, setting aside just a few exceptions) cats live more then six years. Thus understood, (T) licenses predictions. It allows me justifiably to conclude that my cat Tiddles will, or will probably, live more than six years (assuming, of course, that I have reason to believe or suspect that the <i>ceteris paribus<\/i> condition is not met).<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-size: 14.0pt\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-size: 14.0pt\">However, <i>ceteris paribus<\/i> claims don\u2019t always license predictions. Consider:<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-size: 14.0pt\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-indent: 36.0pt\"><span style=\"font-size: 14.0pt\">(J) <i>Ceteris paribus<\/i>, John would be naked at home<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-size: 14.0pt\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-size: 14.0pt\">Note the subjunctive mood of what follows the <i>ceteris paribus<\/i> clause. (J) would not usually be understood to license the prediction that, as John is home, he is, or is probably, naked. It might well be the case that, though, other things being equal, John would be naked at home, other things rarely are equal. Perhaps, though being naked is John\u2019s strong preference, John does not live alone and so, out of courtesy to his easily offended cohabitees, he usually remains clothed. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-size: 14.0pt\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-size: 14.0pt\">Let\u2019s now return to McBrayer and Swenson\u2019s (G) and ask: how should (G) to be understood?<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-size: 14.0pt\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-size: 14.0pt\">Given the subjunctive mood of what follows the <i>ceteris paribus<\/i> clause, it appears (G) does not allow us to conclude that God usually, for the most part, tells the truth. Even granted (G), God\u2019s telling the truth may be the exception rather than the rule.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-size: 14.0pt\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-size: 14.0pt\">But then, thus understood, it is hard to see how (G) provides McBrayer and Swenson with the basis for an effective response to Wielenberg. Suppose we know God is good. Then perhaps we can know that, when other things are equal, God tells us only the truth. However, Wielenberg\u2019s point is that if skeptical theism is true then, for all we know, things rarely are equal. But then, (G) fails to provide us with any grounds for trusting what God says. It\u2019s not merely possible God lies regularly. For all any of us know, God does lie regularly. (G) no more justifies our believing that, as God asserts that <i>P<\/i>, <i>P<\/i> is, or is probably, true than (J) justifies our believing that, as John\u2019s home, John is, or is probably, naked.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-size: 14.0pt\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-size: 14.0pt\">But perhaps, despite employing the subjunctive mood, McBrayer and Swenson do nevertheless intend (G) to be understood as asserting or supporting a generalization about what God <i>will<\/i> do: as a general rule, for the most part, setting aside a few exceptions, if God asserts that <i>P<\/i> then <i>P<\/i> is true. But if that is how (G) should be understood, then it\u2019s hard to see how McBrayer and Swenson can know (G) is true. Wielenberg\u2019s point is that if skeptical theism is true, then none of us are in a position to know what God would do. But then none of us are in a position to know that God usually tells the truth.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-size: 14.0pt\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-size: 14.0pt\">True, it\u2019s usually reasonable to trust other people. The possibility that they are lying to us should not lead us to distrust what they say. But Weilenberg\u2019s point is not that, if skeptical theism is true, then it is possible that God is lying to us. It is that of skeptical theism is true then for all we know God is lying to us. So skeptical theism has the consequence that we should distrust what God says. Skeptical theism does not justify a similar scepticism about what other people say because it does not have the consequence that, for all we know, other people are lying to us. As McBrayer and Swenson point out (p 145), I have no reason to suppose other human beings have access to a potential range of action-justifying reasons that I, given my own human cognitive limitations, cannot access. Moreover, I have good inductive evidence that other humans do generally tell the truth. Thus, given skeptical theism, it remains reasonable for me to believe what other people tell me, but not what God tells me.<\/span><\/p>\n<div>\n<hr align=\"left\" size=\"1\" width=\"33%\" \/>\n<div id=\"edn1\">\n<p class=\"MsoEndnoteText\"><a title=\"\" href=\"#_ednref1\" name=\"_edn1\"><span class=\"MsoEndnoteReference\"><span><span class=\"MsoEndnoteReference\"><span style=\"font-size: 12.0pt;font-family: 'Times New Roman'\">[i]<\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/a> <span lang=\"EN-US\">Not all arguments from evil have this form. For an important exception, see Paul Draper\u2019s version of the argument presented in his 1989 paper \u201cPain and Pleasure: An Evidential Problem for Theists.\u201d <i>Nous<\/i> 23: 331-50. Reprinted in Howard-Snyder, Daniel (ed.) 1996 <i>The Evidential Argument From Evil<\/i> Bloomington: Indiana University Press: 12-29. <\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Draft for comments please&#8230; Skeptical Theism and Divine Lies: The McBrayer\/Swenson response to Wielenberg \u00a0 1. Skeptical Theism \u00a0 Evidential arguments from evil often[i] take something like the following form: \u00a0 If God exists, gratuitous evil does not exist. Gratuitous evil exists. Therefore, God does not exist \u00a0 Gratuitous evil is evil for which there [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":13,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[1],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-1274","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-uncategorized"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/skepticink.com\/believingbullshit\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1274","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/skepticink.com\/believingbullshit\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/skepticink.com\/believingbullshit\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/skepticink.com\/believingbullshit\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/13"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/skepticink.com\/believingbullshit\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=1274"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/skepticink.com\/believingbullshit\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1274\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/skepticink.com\/believingbullshit\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=1274"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/skepticink.com\/believingbullshit\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=1274"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/skepticink.com\/believingbullshit\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=1274"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}