{"id":1047,"date":"2007-05-08T14:14:00","date_gmt":"2007-05-08T14:14:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/skepticink.com\/believingbullshit\/2007\/05\/08\/religous-schools-and-brainwashing-ii\/"},"modified":"2007-05-08T14:14:00","modified_gmt":"2007-05-08T14:14:00","slug":"religous-schools-and-brainwashing-ii","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/skepticink.com\/believingbullshit\/2007\/05\/08\/religous-schools-and-brainwashing-ii\/","title":{"rendered":"Religous schools and brainwashing (II)"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Thanks for the insightful comments on my previous post.<\/p>\n<p>I guess the first thing I should say (as I do in <a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.co.uk\/War-Childrens-Minds-Stephen-Law\/dp\/0415378559\">The War For Children&#8217;s Minds<\/a>) is that <span style=\"font-style:italic\">of course<\/span> various purely causal mechanisms are inevitably going to be applied to shape belief in and out of the classroom, and yes this is, to some extent, a good thing. Giving a kid a sweetie or a hug when they do well can be a form of \u201cemotional manipulation\u201d but is certainly not brainwashing. Getting kids to repeat stuff and learn by rote is obviously not brainwashing either.<\/p>\n<p>I also doubt whether a very precise algorithm-like definition of brainwashing can be given \u2013 certainly not in terms of \u201c<a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Necessary_and_sufficient_conditions\">necessary and sufficient conditions<\/a>\u201d. Brainwashing is, I suspect, what Wittgenstein calls a \u201c<a href=\"http:\/\/plato.stanford.edu\/entries\/wittgenstein\/\">family resemblance concept<\/a>\u201d. There is a range of indicators for brainwashing, and the more are satisfied (and the more strongly they are satisfied) in a given system, the more like brainwashing it is. There is, if you like, a sliding scale from education to indoctrination to brainwashing, with no precise boundaries between them.<\/p>\n<p>Taylor&#8217;s specification of the five \u201ccore techniques\u201d of brainwashing: isolation, control, uncertainty, repetition and emotional manipulation, while not perfect, is certainly helpful. I am inclined to add a fifth (necessary?) condition for brainwashing \u2013 that the regime must not encourage (either explicitly, or covertly) independent critical thinking and questioning of central tenets.<\/p>\n<p>It seems to me that, <span style=\"font-style:italic\">if there is no such encouragement, plus all five of Taylor&#8217;s boxes are strongly checked, then you are probably looking at, at the very least, indoctrination, and probably something very close to brainwashing<\/span>.<\/p>\n<p>Juliana&#8217;s point that learning by rote is not brainwashing, and the lack of a definition in terms of &#8220;necessary and sufficient conditions&#8221; does not undermine the above suggestion.<\/p>\n<p>Juliana is right that what people like to call \u201cbrainwashing\u201d depends to some extent on the content of the beliefs involved. If we like the beliefs, we call it \u201ceducation\u201d; if we don\u2019t, we call it \u201cindoctrination\u201d or even \u201cbrainwashing\u201d. I kind of made that point myself when I issued my faith schools challenge <a href=\"http:\/\/stephenlaw.blogspot.com\/2007\/02\/faith-schools.html\">here<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>But that doesn\u2019t mean we don\u2019t possess a fairly robust notion of brainwashing &#8211; something very much along the lines that Taylor is talking about. We do. And while many religious schools certainly aren\u2019t guilty of it, many, I think, do come perilously close. Much closer than some of the faithful are prepared to admit\u2026 (which was much the point I was making with my <a href=\"http:\/\/stephenlaw.blogspot.com\/2007\/02\/faith-schools.html\">faith school challenge<\/a>).<\/p>\n<p>If you want to know why I think reliance on purely causal techniques for inducing belief (incl. brainwashing) is a very bad idea, <span style=\"font-style:italic\">whether or not I happen to approve of the content of the beliefs being inculcated<\/span>, scroll down to my 1st and 3rd May blogs.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Thanks for the insightful comments on my previous post. I guess the first thing I should say (as I do in The War For Children&#8217;s Minds) is that of course various purely causal mechanisms are inevitably going to be applied to shape belief in and out of the classroom, and yes this is, to some [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":13,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[132,60,87,26],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-1047","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-brainwashing","category-faith-schools","category-reason","category-religion"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/skepticink.com\/believingbullshit\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1047","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/skepticink.com\/believingbullshit\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/skepticink.com\/believingbullshit\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/skepticink.com\/believingbullshit\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/13"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/skepticink.com\/believingbullshit\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=1047"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/skepticink.com\/believingbullshit\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1047\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/skepticink.com\/believingbullshit\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=1047"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/skepticink.com\/believingbullshit\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=1047"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/skepticink.com\/believingbullshit\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=1047"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}