{"id":3993,"date":"2016-10-02T17:22:08","date_gmt":"2016-10-02T22:22:08","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/skepticink.com\/backgroundprobability\/?p=3993"},"modified":"2016-10-02T19:33:14","modified_gmt":"2016-10-03T00:33:14","slug":"analysis-richard-carrier-lawsuit","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/skepticink.com\/backgroundprobability\/2016\/10\/02\/analysis-richard-carrier-lawsuit\/","title":{"rendered":"Analysis of the Richard Carrier Lawsuit"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>As you may have heard, atheist activist and independent scholar <a href=\"http:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/friendlyatheist\/2016\/09\/24\/dr-richard-carrier-has-sued-several-atheists-and-their-blogging-networks-on-charges-of-defamation\/\">Richard Carrier is suing<\/a> loads of his erstwhile allies for defamation, among other things.<\/p>\n<p>[Just to get my own biases out of the way: I have nothing personally against Richard Carrier. He has done yeoman&#8217;s work in bringing the question of Jesus&#8217; historicity into question, among <a href=\"http:\/\/infidels.org\/library\/modern\/richard_carrier\/\">various other things<\/a>. About the only thing he did spectacularly wrong (from an atheist movement perspective) was turning Atheism Plus into an &#8220;us vs. them&#8221; festival of denunciation and excommunication, but that was arguably bound to happen. Possibly he should be credited with speeding up the inevitable collapse.]<\/p>\n<p>I was going to write up why this defamation suit is a Sisyphean\u00a0uphill\u00a0battle, but regrettably I have been overtaken by events and expertise. Instead, I give\u00a0you the definitive podcast which <a href=\"http:\/\/www.richardcarrier.info\/archives\/9211\">ends all rational debate<\/a> on this lawsuit:<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-width=\"500\" data-dnt=\"true\">\n<p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">AS280: Richard Carrier\u2019s Lawsuit, with Andrew\u00a0Torrez <a href=\"https:\/\/t.co\/C2QPvLRDvm\">https:\/\/t.co\/C2QPvLRDvm<\/a><\/p>\n<p>&mdash; Thomas Smith (@seriouspod) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/seriouspod\/status\/781414381489840128?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">September 29, 2016<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><script async src=\"https:\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-width=\"500\" data-dnt=\"true\">\n<p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">Superb legal analysis of the <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/RichardCCarrier?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">@RichardCCarrier<\/a> lawsuit against <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/RealSkepticon?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">@RealSkepticon<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/TheOrbit_Net?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">@TheOrbit_Net<\/a>, FtB, &amp; co. feat. @patorrezlaw of <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/openargs?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">@openargs<\/a>. <a href=\"https:\/\/t.co\/mPXOnAug7X\">https:\/\/t.co\/mPXOnAug7X<\/a><\/p>\n<p>&mdash; Blue Ball Skeptics (@BlueBallSkeptic) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/BlueBallSkeptic\/status\/781855128684994560?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">September 30, 2016<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><script async src=\"https:\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n<p>(Share and enjoy, of course.)<\/p>\n<p>To give you the tl;dr version: As a public figure, Dr. Carrier will have to show that the defendants acted with &#8220;actual malice,&#8221; that is, reckless disregard of the truth or the knowledge\u00a0that what they published was false. Given that the allegedly defamatory claims involved are highly subjective (e.g. harassment, boundary pushing, unwanted touching) this is an incredibly\u00a0tough row to hoe. This is even more true when we consider that Dr. Carrier has represented\u00a0himself publicly\u00a0as a moral philosopher and a shining example of how to respectfully pursue polyamorous relationships. One of the obvious downsides of making yourself into an <a href=\"http:\/\/www.richardcarrier.info\/archives\/7573\">exemplary case<\/a> is that people are going to critique how you live your life, and that critique forms part of our\u00a0(constitutionally protected)\u00a0public discourse on the topic under consideration.<\/p>\n<p>If I was a praying man, I would pray for Dr. Carrier to drop this suit as soon as possible. He is unlikely to prevail, and even if he does (1) many of the\u00a0defendants in the case are likely to end up being\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/www.nolo.com\/legal-encyclopedia\/what-does-judgment-proof-mean.html\">judgment proof<\/a>, and (2) none of them <em>ever<\/em> are going to take him back into the atheism plus social justice clubhouse. \u00a0The <em>status quo ante<\/em> is dead and gone. It is time to move forward.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>As you may have heard, atheist activist and independent scholar Richard Carrier is suing loads of his erstwhile allies for&hellip;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":23,"featured_media":3722,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[23,43],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-3993","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-complimentary-earplugs","category-current-events"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/skepticink.com\/backgroundprobability\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/3993","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/skepticink.com\/backgroundprobability\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/skepticink.com\/backgroundprobability\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/skepticink.com\/backgroundprobability\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/23"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/skepticink.com\/backgroundprobability\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=3993"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/skepticink.com\/backgroundprobability\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/3993\/revisions"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/skepticink.com\/backgroundprobability\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/3722"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/skepticink.com\/backgroundprobability\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=3993"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/skepticink.com\/backgroundprobability\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=3993"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/skepticink.com\/backgroundprobability\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=3993"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}