{"id":3410,"date":"2015-06-14T00:01:41","date_gmt":"2015-06-14T05:01:41","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/skepticink.com\/backgroundprobability\/?p=3410"},"modified":"2015-06-12T20:14:10","modified_gmt":"2015-06-13T01:14:10","slug":"the-great-fire-of-atheism","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/skepticink.com\/backgroundprobability\/2015\/06\/14\/the-great-fire-of-atheism\/","title":{"rendered":"The Great Fire of Atheism"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Looks like I&#8217;ve been <a href=\"http:\/\/freethoughtblogs.com\/godlessness\/2015\/06\/11\/smoke-fire-and-recognising-transphobia\/\" target=\"_blank\">called out<\/a> once again by one of the\u00a0bloggers at FtB. As per usual, I&#8217;m not allowed to reply there, so I&#8217;ll have to reply here.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Misogyny has been the great fire of atheism. 2012 saw a pitched fight for smoke detectors to be used at cons, in which, as <a href=\"http:\/\/freethoughtblogs.com\/butterfliesandwheels\/2012\/06\/im-out\/\">thick<\/a> <a href=\"http:\/\/freethoughtblogs.com\/ashleymiller\/2012\/05\/30\/harassment-at-tam9\/\">plumes<\/a> <a href=\"http:\/\/freethoughtblogs.com\/greta\/2012\/06\/15\/holy-fucking-shit\/\">billowed<\/a> from every window, DJ Grothe said TAM was <a href=\"http:\/\/skepchick.org\/2012\/06\/why-i-wont-be-at-tam-this-year\/\">totally fire-free<\/a>, no one having caught so much as a whiff of smoke, and women shouldn\u2019t <a href=\"http:\/\/freethoughtblogs.com\/almostdiamonds\/2012\/05\/30\/where-are-the-women\/\">assume too much<\/a> from the sky high column of it over the building.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>If I\u2019m following Alex\u2019s analogy correctly, \u201csmoke detectors\u201d are intended to be analogous to anti-harassment policies at conventions. I\u2019ve never objected to well-crafted policies, and I am <a href=\"https:\/\/skepticink.com\/hellfireclub\/2013\/04\/08\/i-support-the-cfi-conduct-policy\/#comment-856401744\">on the record<\/a>\u00a0here in support of them. As\u00a0part of the organizational team for FreeOK (some years ago) I argued in support of their adoption of a reasonable conduct policy as well. Maybe others were involved in a \u201cpitched fight\u201d over the placement and availability of smoke detectors,\u00a0or maybe that expression is\u00a0just bit of hyperbolic artistic license.\u00a0Moving on:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Later, Reinhardt et al decided piles of <a href=\"http:\/\/freethoughtblogs.com\/lousycanuck\/2013\/08\/12\/sexual-harassment-accusations-in-the-skeptical-and-secular-communities-a-timeline-of-major-events\/\" target=\"_blank\">soot and ash<\/a> wherever some male skeptics went didn\u2019t conclusively prove fire damage, and so there was no reason at all to check for any.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Again, assuming I\u2019m following the analogy correctly, \u201csoot and ash\u201d represent the barrage of allegations of sexual impropriety, sexual harassment, and sexual assault which poured forth back\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/storify.com\/D4M10N\/conversation-with-sallystrange-and-first-tweet\" target=\"_blank\">when the floodgates opened<\/a>. Allegations such as those against <a href=\"http:\/\/freethoughtblogs.com\/pharyngula\/2013\/08\/08\/what-do-you-do-when-someone-pulls-the-pin-and-hands-you-a-grenade\/comment-page-4\/#comment-663736\" target=\"_blank\">Bill Nye<\/a> and <a href=\"http:\/\/archive.is\/R8nnT\" target=\"_blank\">Lawrence Krauss<\/a>, which were hastily retracted or redacted when no one stepped forward as an eyewitness. Allegations such as those against <a href=\"https:\/\/www.google.com\/search?q=%22male+attendee+of+TAM+had+been+using+a+camera+on+the+end+of+a+telescoping+monopod%22\" target=\"_blank\">Steve Packard<\/a>, which proved to be nothing more than rumor built up on a foundation of fearful speculation. Allegations such as those against <a href=\"http:\/\/freethoughtblogs.com\/pharyngula\/2013\/08\/06\/no-it-could-never-happen-to-her\/\" target=\"_blank\">Benjamin Radford<\/a>, which were recently <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/emeryemeryii\/status\/601548074364710912\" target=\"_blank\">publicly retracted<\/a>. Not to mention random\u00a0allegations of cyber-harassment that I <a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=72uqyA8DaQI\" target=\"_blank\">cannot even begin to understand<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>Maybe the piles of soot and ash aren&#8217;t actually what Alex presumes? Perhaps\u00a0they are, in fact, mostly dust in the wind?<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>If rather than Bindel, <a href=\"http:\/\/freethoughtblogs.com\/butterfliesandwheels\/2015\/06\/we-need-to-talk\/\" target=\"_blank\">Jane Clare Jones<\/a> or <a href=\"http:\/\/freethoughtblogs.com\/godlessness\/2015\/02\/19\/tef-lon-and-transmisogyny\/\" target=\"_blank\">other transphobes<\/a>, someone on this network promoted men with antifeminist records \u2013 <a href=\"http:\/\/freethoughtblogs.com\/butterfliesandwheels\/2012\/12\/its-more-of-a-guy-thing\/\" target=\"_blank\">Shermer<\/a>, Reinhardt, DJ Grothe \u2013 would she accept their history wasn\u2019t worth mentioning?<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Assuming <em>feminism<\/em> means what <a href=\"https:\/\/www.google.com\/search?q=&quot;Feminism%20is%20simply%20the%20desire%20for%20female%20equality&quot;%20site%3Afreethoughtblogs.com\" target=\"_blank\">what I think it does<\/a>, it&#8217;s a fairly damning accusation to say that someone has an &#8220;antifeminist record&#8221; and a history worth mentioning. Then again, maybe <em>antifeminist<\/em> is\u00a0code for\u00a0anyone who dares to openly\u00a0question the veracity of the factual claims and the utility of the moral pronouncements ringing forth from Freethought Blogs.<\/p>\n<p>In other words, a freethinker.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Looks like I&#8217;ve been called out once again by one of the\u00a0bloggers at FtB. As per usual, I&#8217;m not allowed&hellip;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":23,"featured_media":2858,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[21],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-3410","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-atheism-plus"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/skepticink.com\/backgroundprobability\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/3410","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/skepticink.com\/backgroundprobability\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/skepticink.com\/backgroundprobability\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/skepticink.com\/backgroundprobability\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/23"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/skepticink.com\/backgroundprobability\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=3410"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/skepticink.com\/backgroundprobability\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/3410\/revisions"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/skepticink.com\/backgroundprobability\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/2858"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/skepticink.com\/backgroundprobability\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=3410"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/skepticink.com\/backgroundprobability\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=3410"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/skepticink.com\/backgroundprobability\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=3410"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}