{"id":2344,"date":"2014-01-13T19:59:33","date_gmt":"2014-01-14T01:59:33","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/skepticink.com\/backgroundprobability\/?p=2344"},"modified":"2014-01-13T20:08:58","modified_gmt":"2014-01-14T02:08:58","slug":"two-suits-against-ten-commandments","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/skepticink.com\/backgroundprobability\/2014\/01\/13\/two-suits-against-ten-commandments\/","title":{"rendered":"Two suits against Ten Commandments"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>To clear up some confusion, I&#8217;d like to briefly compare and contrast the recently filed Americans Atheists lawsuit [<a href=\"http:\/\/news.atheists.org\/2014\/01\/13\/press-release-atheists-file-federal-lawsuit-to-remove-christian-monument-at-ok-state-capitol\/\" target=\"_blank\">press release<\/a>, <a href=\"http:\/\/news.atheists.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/01\/2013-12-17-Atheists-Complaint-02.pdf\">PDF<\/a>] against the Oklahoma Ten Commandments monument with the ACLU lawsuit [<a href=\"https:\/\/www.aclu.org\/religion-belief\/prescott-v-oklahoma-capitol-preservation-commission\" target=\"_blank\">press release<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.aclu.org\/files\/assets\/ten_commandments_petition_cv-2013-1768.pdf\" target=\"_blank\">PDF<\/a>] against the very same monument, which was filed a few months ago.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/skepticink.com\/backgroundprobability\/files\/2012\/11\/OK-ten-comm.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-531\" alt=\"OK ten comm\" src=\"https:\/\/skepticink.com\/backgroundprobability\/files\/2012\/11\/OK-ten-comm.jpg\" width=\"448\" height=\"600\" srcset=\"https:\/\/skepticink.com\/backgroundprobability\/files\/2012\/11\/OK-ten-comm.jpg 448w, https:\/\/skepticink.com\/backgroundprobability\/files\/2012\/11\/OK-ten-comm-224x300.jpg 224w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 448px) 100vw, 448px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>The ACLU suit was filed in the state courts, and relies upon a plain reading of the Oklahoma Constitution (<a href=\"http:\/\/law.justia.com\/constitution\/oklahoma\/II-5.html\" target=\"_blank\">Article 2, \u00a75<\/a>)\u00a0for relief:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>No public money or property shall ever be appropriated, applied, donated, or used, directly or indirectly, for the use, benefit, or support of any sect, church, denomination, or system of religion, or for the use, benefit, or support of any priest, preacher, minister, or other religious teacher or dignitary, or sectarian institution as such.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>The ACLU suit alleges that the monument is now &#8220;chattel property of the State of Oklahoma, having been\u00a0donated to the people of the State of Oklahoma and placed upon public land on\u00a0the grounds of the Oklahoma State Capitol&#8221; and because of its exclusive religious message, the constitutional &#8220;prohibition on use of public property for sectarian or religious benefit is\u00a0violated by the placement and continued display of the Ten Commandments\u00a0Monument.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>The American Atheists suit was filed in federal district court, rather than a state court, and puts forth federal claims &#8220;predicated on violations of the First and Fourteenth\u00a0Amendments of the Constitution of the United States, The Supremacy Clause, and Article VI, cl.\u00a02 and Article VI, cl. 3 of the Constitution of the United States.&#8221; That last clause is about how the legislators swore an oath to uphold the federal Constitution, and violated that oath by voting to erect a religious monument. The remaining citations to constitutional law call for application of existing First Amendment jurisprudence, which I wrote about on the <a href=\"http:\/\/blog.oklahomaatheists.com\/2012\/11\/oklahomas-monument-to-mosaic-law_3792.html\" target=\"_blank\">AOK blog<\/a> some time ago, back when the monument was first erected. Essentially, the monument constitutes an unconstitutional\u00a0endorsement of religion by the state, prohibited by the First Amendment (which applies to the States via the 14th) and its &#8220;coercive effect on those with faith traditions\u00a0inconsistent with those supported by the Display, force Plaintiffs to endure a continuing violation\u00a0of the peoples\u2019 liberty of conscience, committed in their names as citizens of Oklahoma.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>I like to think of these suits as prongs in a two-pronged attack, each looking to find a fatal weakness in a different way. I&#8217;m proud to support both organizations and I&#8217;m very proud of my friends who were bold enough to stand up as plaintiffs.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>To clear up some confusion, I&#8217;d like to briefly compare and contrast the recently filed Americans Atheists lawsuit [press release,&hellip;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":23,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[28,32,11,16],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-2344","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-activism","category-oklahoma","category-movement","category-theocracy"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/skepticink.com\/backgroundprobability\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/2344","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/skepticink.com\/backgroundprobability\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/skepticink.com\/backgroundprobability\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/skepticink.com\/backgroundprobability\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/23"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/skepticink.com\/backgroundprobability\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=2344"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/skepticink.com\/backgroundprobability\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/2344\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/skepticink.com\/backgroundprobability\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=2344"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/skepticink.com\/backgroundprobability\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=2344"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/skepticink.com\/backgroundprobability\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=2344"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}