{"id":1018,"date":"2014-03-26T14:00:25","date_gmt":"2014-03-26T19:00:25","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/skepticink.com\/avant-garde\/?p=1018"},"modified":"2014-03-25T20:10:15","modified_gmt":"2014-03-26T01:10:15","slug":"wiki-woo","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/skepticink.com\/avant-garde\/2014\/03\/wiki-woo\/","title":{"rendered":"Wiki-woo"},"content":{"rendered":"<p style=\"text-align: justify\"><a href=\"https:\/\/skepticink.com\/avant-garde\/2014\/03\/25\/wiki-woo\/\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone\" alt=\"\" src=\"https:\/\/31.media.tumblr.com\/6b17d2596413d99e9c49b5ce5b34192d\/tumblr_n30r0z9mUS1qcnn8do1_500.jpg\" width=\"500\" height=\"260\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">Some days ago, <strong>Jimmy Wales<\/strong> answered a Change petition asking him to drop Wikipedia standards of evidence in order to make woo look respectable. <a href=\"http:\/\/www.change.org\/petitions\/jimmy-wales-founder-of-wikipedia-create-and-enforce-new-policies-that-allow-for-true-scientific-discourse-about-holistic-approaches-to-healing\/responses\/11054\">Wales&#8217; answer<\/a> was formidable:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\"><!--more--><span style=\"line-height: 1.5em\">No, you have to be kidding me. Every single person who signed this petition needs to go back to check their premises and <strong>think harder about what it means to be honest, factual, truthful<\/strong>.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\"><strong>Wikipedia\u2019s policies around this kind of thing are exactly spot-on and correct<\/strong>. If you can get your work published in respectable scientific journals \u2013 that is to say, if you can produce evidence through replicable scientific experiments, then Wikipedia will cover it appropriately.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">What <strong>we won\u2019t do is pretend that the work of lunatic charlatans is the equivalent of \u201ctrue scientific discourse\u201d<\/strong>. It isn\u2019t.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">I applaud and admire Wales&#8217; stance. And that&#8217;s why I am writing this.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">Unlike Wikipedia in English, the Spanish version is run by a mob that gives credit to pseudoscience, conspiracy theories and the paranormal (whatever that is). You can check out the <a href=\"http:\/\/es.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Acupuntura\">acupuncture<\/a>, <strong><a href=\"http:\/\/es.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Deepak_Chopra\">Deepak Chopra<\/a><\/strong>, <strong><a href=\"http:\/\/es.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Rupert_Sheldrake\">Rupert Sheldrake<\/a><\/strong> entries or any other of their ilk.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">They are slightly less than propaganda.<\/p>\n<h3>No Guerilla Skepticism<\/h3>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">This issue was detected back <a href=\"http:\/\/charlatanes.blogspot.com\/2007\/04\/la-wikiguerra-de-la-wikimagia-en.html\">in 2007<\/a>, when the Spanish Wikipedia editors purged any references to skeptic webpage <em title=\"The Return of Charlatans\"><a href=\"http:\/\/charlatanes.blogspot.com\/\">El retorno de los charlatanes<\/a><\/em>, which has unflattering posts about, literally, hundreds of topics ranging from charlatan <strong><a href=\"http:\/\/charlatanes.blogspot.com.es\/2006\/06\/jodorowsky-los-delirios-de-un-artista.html\">Alejandro Jodorowsky<\/a><\/strong> to the fraudulent <a title=\"Antroposof\u00eda: la secta y su banco (Triodos)\" href=\"http:\/\/charlatanes.blogspot.com.es\/2012\/08\/antroposofia-la-secta-y-su-banco.html\">Triodos Bank<\/a> -which belongs to the anthroposophy sect-.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">Spanish speaking skeptics thought Wikipedia would become a more welcoming place for evidence-based collaborations when Jimmy Wales himself <a title=\"Homeopathy - Oscillococcinum in particular\" href=\"http:\/\/jimmywales.quora.com\/Homeopathy-Oscillococcinum-in-particular\">tackled homeopathy<\/a>. We were naive.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">The Spanish Wikipedia crew answered with <a title=\"El fundador de la Wikipedia contra la homeopat\u00eda\" href=\"http:\/\/charlatanes.blogspot.com\/2013\/02\/el-fundador-de-la-wikipedia-contra-la.html\">tone policing and ad hominem attacks<\/a>. We are entitled to an encyclopedia <a title=\"Study: Wikipedia as accurate as Britannica\" href=\"http:\/\/news.cnet.com\/2100-1038_3-5997332.html\">as good as the Encyclopaedia Britannica<\/a>, or at least that&#8217;s what we thought and asked for.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">The <a href=\"http:\/\/2.bp.blogspot.com\/-yZmycfFnmbQ\/UQz1RnNQk1I\/AAAAAAAADB4\/BsN_N2-s0xw\/s1600\/Screen+Shot+2013-02-02+at+12.09.20+PM.png\">answer we got<\/a> was: If you want a flawless encyclopedia, go read the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.britannica.com\/\">Britannica<\/a>, no one&#8217;s forcing you to read Wikipedia.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">So there goes the whole having an evidence-based web-encyclopedia in Spanish concept down the toilet. I guess <strong><a href=\"http:\/\/guerrillaskepticismonwikipedia.blogspot.com\/\">Susan Gerbic<\/a><\/strong> and Jimmy Wales can start crying right now.<\/p>\n<h3>It&#8217;s not about me<\/h3>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">I can actually go and read English Wikipedia or the Britannica. But this is not about me, or my fellow skeptics. The Spanish Wikipedia is one of the <a href=\"http:\/\/meta.wikimedia.org\/wiki\/List_of_Wikipedias#All_Wikipedias_ordered_by_number_of_articles\">largest Wikis<\/a>, generating 9% of the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.alexa.com\/siteinfo\/wikipedia.org?range=5y&amp;size=large&amp;y=t\">website&#8217;s traffic<\/a>, and Spanish is a language with over <a href=\"http:\/\/www.ethnologue.com\/language\/spa\">405 million speakers<\/a>. It is about all of them, <em>us<\/em>.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">It&#8217;s about providing all of us with accurate and evidence based information (or like I call them, <em>facts<\/em>), whether you like what is being said or not. I would think that&#8217;s what Jimmy Wales has in mind, and the Spanish Wikipedia crew are just not delivering.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Some days ago, Jimmy Wales answered a Change petition asking him to drop Wikipedia standards of evidence in order to&hellip;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":26,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[291],"tags":[17,276,312],"class_list":["post-1018","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-skepticism-and-science","tag-pseudoscience-antiscience","tag-science","tag-wikipedia"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/skepticink.com\/avant-garde\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1018","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/skepticink.com\/avant-garde\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/skepticink.com\/avant-garde\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/skepticink.com\/avant-garde\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/26"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/skepticink.com\/avant-garde\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=1018"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/skepticink.com\/avant-garde\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1018\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/skepticink.com\/avant-garde\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=1018"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/skepticink.com\/avant-garde\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=1018"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/skepticink.com\/avant-garde\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=1018"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}